Transcript: INDYCAR Stewards Media Conference

Photo: Tony DiZinno

AVONDALE, Ariz. – Hulman & Co. CEO Mark Miles, INDYCAR President of Competition and Operations Jay Frye, and two of the three race stewards – Chief Steward Dan Davis and additional Steward Max Papis – spoke today at a press conference at Phoenix International Raceway. The third Steward, Arie Luyendyk, was unavailable as he was in the Netherlands – ironically, Luyendyk lives in Fountain Hills, Ariz.

NBC Sports will have more to come on the stewards and their new roles in the days to come. In the interim, here is the transcript of the media conference held earlier today:

THE MODERATOR: We’d like to welcome to the podium on my far left, Jay Frye, the president of competition and operations for INDYCAR. Next to him, Mark Miles, the CEO of Hulman & Company, which is the parent of INDYCAR and Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And then two of our new stewards: Max Papis, longtime racer, and Dan Davis, longtime motorsports executive.

Mark, I believe you’d like to start by making an opening statement.

MARK MILES: Thank you all for letting us interrupt your work. You know we’re off to a good start when I see the members of the media blowing kisses to these guys over here. That’s pretty strong (laughter).

We’re here informally to present these guys and to talk a little about our ambitions for Race Control and the steward system this year. But I can’t resist the chance just to thank (track president) Bryan Sperber and his colleagues again. We are so happy to be here. Looking forward to racing in early April. Can’t say enough about the enthusiasm and cooperation that we’re experiencing from our new promoter partner here. So delighted.

So Race Control, I think lot of things to think about. One is that there’s a division of labor here. That’s part of the point. Brian Barnhart (vice president of competition, race director) will continue to be the race director. I think of that as the person who’s in charge of producing the race, the producer of the race. So he’s got to control the pits, the safety cars, the pace car, all the mechanics that are very important, but not officiating in the sense of deciding when there’s an infraction, and if there is an infraction what the penalties would be.

Part of the rationale for going to the steward system is we want Brian to be able to focus on producing the race and not be distracted by thinking about whether there were penalties, and if there were infractions, what the penalties ought to be.

We think we have the right guy in that position. He’s got so much experience.

The decisions about when there are infractions, and when there are infractions what the penalties are, rest solely with the three stewards. That’s important. We thought it was really important, first of all, to get the maximum amount of continuity. We want consistency in our decision making. I think our competitors deserve that. Fans deserve that. That’s as high a priority as there is, along with independence and fairness, which we know we can count on.

So with that in mind, it was really important to us that we found three very experienced, enthusiastic stewards who will be the stewards for every race. I mean, maybe there’s an illness or something, but I think everybody’s expectation is same three stewards all the way through from start to finish for the Verizon IndyCar Series this year. I think that has not been the case in the past, so we’re looking forward to that.

I’d say candidly we’re not satisfied with our performance last year. Many of these measures are aimed to make improvements around consistency.

Another value is transparency. We think the competitors and the teams ought to know what the rules are and what they can expect in advance in the way of penalties if they are breaking rules. I’ll speak about that again in just a second, but I call that transparency. Those are critical values.

Jay Frye is the guy who really has made all this happen. As he put it, he “targeted,” but that’s a little harsh, the three people we ended up with as stewards, those were his top three choices.

The first thing is to make sure we had a strong, credible, experienced driver mentality, racing mentality in Race Control. With Max and Arie (Luyendyk), who ironically lives here but can’t be here because he’s in Holland, we have incredible credibility.

With Dan Davis as chief steward, we have somebody who has been so important to the sport in various series for so long. His role, like Max called earlier today, is like team manager. As chief steward, he is a steward. He will, along with the other two guys, participate one vote each on any decision that’s being made about an infraction or a penalty.

He also has all the administrative responsibility to organize the group, to have them practice and improve, and really be the administrative leader of the team, which we think is very important.

What does that mean besides making sure everybody is at the race on time? One of the things they’re committed to doing which I’m so excited about is, after every race, they will meet by video conference. They’ll look at every call they made and everything that could have been a call they didn’t make collectively, and they’ll talk. They’ll look at and review whether they think they made the right decisions, because sometimes they may not.

We think this is so important. It’s part of a process of continuous improvement. As the three of them do every race, and after every race they kind of go back and do the postmortem, I think it’s very important.

They’ll also spend time on those calls looking to the next race and any peculiarities they think there are. These two drivers and veteran administrator of the sport, we think, cover all the bases in terms of the mindset in the room in Race Control.

We also thought it was important to simplify the regulations. We’ve been through a process, which is not entirely new, but I think it’s improved. Last year we had about 45 different regulations on a laminated piece of paper. These were the rules that people in Race Control had to think about. Then there was a schedule of penalties pursuant to breaking any of these rules. You can think of small, medium and large. Not so serious, very serious, more weighty penalty issues as you move from left to right on that scale.

Most of them started with a warning, the threshold level of a penalty. What we’ve done, these guys have worked first of all with the drivers, to give them the opportunity to give some input into those regulations and those penalties. Team owners will have a shot at that. Quickly we’ll take all that input and finalize this set of regulations and penalties.

The first thing that’s going to happen is more than half of them will not start with a warning. I think it’s really interesting. The drivers came to us and said, “What’s a warning?” It’s an opportunity for inconsistency. So let’s just get rid of it where we can and where it makes sense. More than half of the rules will no longer start with that. I think that’s a good move.

In the past, the drivers didn’t receive this table. It was top secret up in Race Control. How would they know if we were being consistent, if we followed our own plan? Of course, this year the stewards will have it and they’ll be expert in it with the drivers and the team personnel, and the public and media can have this table. The people can hold us accountable as to whether we’re all following how we view how it all ought to work, and we will.

Another value for us is timeliness. Over the time of the series last year, it felt like more and more calls were getting made on Tuesday and announced on Wednesday. We hope to stop that to the maximum possible extent.

So our expectation is that the stewards will make the calls during the race, the penalty will be determined, we won’t be having that conversation on Wednesday. The incidental exception will be when we learn something after the race, like a tech inspection. I think you can expect that from us, finishing a race and knowing what happened to the greatest possible extent. I think the drivers, the participants, the fans deserve that.

Those are a few of our objectives and some of the thinking behind the approach we’re taking. I want to thank Jay for having the conviction about this approach and the rapport and experience in the sport to know who to go to and successfully recruit what we think is an outstanding team of stewards.

You will hold us all accountable for this. This is the way we’re going to do it. It’s not going to change in a week or two. We don’t see this as a democracy. We’ll get good inputs to the rules and regulations now, but these guys will make those determinations and not by vote.

We know they will have the best interest of INDYCAR in mind as they do that and they’ll be as well-prepared as possibly anybody can be.

It’s time for me to shut up. Happy to have you guys say hello, make any comment.

Max, do you want to start?

MAX PAPIS: First of all, it’s an honor to be here. You guys know well the love I have for the sport. It’s been the No. 1 reason why I came here. When Jay called me, I asked him exactly what he meant, what he wanted out of me. When he told me about the words “consistency, transparency,” I was sold.

I feel that obviously I’ve always been on the other side. I’m still on the other side. I’m still a race car driver. But it’s a set of eyes that really can determine if things are done – for which reasons things are happening on the track is going to make a really big difference.

I feel obviously we know each other. Dan has been a tremendous supporter of my career and the sport in general. We won together my first-ever Indy car race back in the days. Arie Luyendyk, the guy, he’s a legend. I really feel that the consistency of having the three same people at the track, it’s basically what is going to make a lot of difference.

Are we going to make everything right all the time? No, because there is only one guy that makes everything right, and He belongs up in the sky with my dad. Everybody here is a human being. But I can promise you guys, everything that I will do, everything we will do, will be for the love of the sport and nothing else.

DAN DAVIS: I’m really happy to be here. You all know I was with Ford forever and ever. I learned a lot about the sport, but I wasn’t as an official.

I will tell you things that are so important to me, so important, are honesty, integrity and fairness. It’s led my entire career since I started in the business at 18 years old. I started in the auto business at 18. It’s 40 years later. If you don’t have integrity, you don’t have anything. That is what we’re going to bring to the stewardship. I think it’s important and that’s what we’re going to do.

As many of you know, I am passionate for motorsports and I am passionate for open-wheel, and that’s why I’m here.

JAY FRYE: In general, the league had a pretty good week this week. We made some additions with four new people, Bill Pappas, our new vice president of competition and race engineering, then the three new stewards. We had an opportunity to make the league better, stronger, and we are really excited about what we have been able to accomplish this week.


Q. How surprised were you when you got the call to take this position, Dan, because a lot of us do remember when you ran Ford’s North American operation, you were the guy in charge of the CART program? How surprised when you got the call?

DAN DAVIS: Let’s just say delighted. In my mind I’ve wanted to engage in open-wheel racing for lots of years. Was just looking for a way to get in and help. I tried to make that known.

Then Jay got ahold of me and said, “Do you have any interest? Let’s chat.” Off we went.

Not terribly surprised but delighted really.

Q. Mark, a lot of the decisions that Jay has made lately, how has that elevated the decision to make him a president of a technical part of the operation where he came from the chief revenue side of the company?

MARK MILES: I couldn’t be more thrilled to have Jay in this position. I know all of our board members and his colleagues at INDYCAR feel exactly the same way.

We’ve known each other now and worked when he was in his other capacity for a couple years. I know how he thinks. I know his work ethic, his love for the sport, his incredible relationships with it seems like everybody in the sport. I knew that we connected on the highest level of priorities.

We’re going to try our damnedest to do what we say we’re going to do. We’d rather under-promise and over-deliver. We are going to try to bring a level of common sense to what happens in INDYCAR. He certainly brings that in spades.

He’s not a bad guy to be around, either. So it’s early days, and I don’t want you to lose it, but I think we have exactly the right guy in the position.

Q. What tools, being the digital age, will the stewards have in order to review the calls that are at their disposal? I remember one time there was supposed to be maybe a big transporter. I don’t think that’s in the works, but…

JAY FRYE: The transporter was going to be a remote Race Control unit. They’ll have all the same tools they would have had in that. When we bring them to the racetrack, we have to put item in a tower or whatever.

We’re going to do everything possible to provide them with all the tools possible. It will evolve as we go.

The training process that we’ll do every week, that’s not been done in the past. We’ll have these video conferences every week that go over the prior week’s event and talk about the upcoming week’s event. So there will be something we’re doing every week to make the group better.

As we said, mistakes are going to be made. But as long as we’re accountable for what we’re doing, and we have the right people doing it, it’s going to be really good.

And I did come from the competition side at one point, a little bit.

MARK MILES: This year there will be new software which I think we now know works, which will be a tremendous tool in setting the correct order for restarts. You can think of times last year, when if you were Brian Barnhart, your head was exploding trying to know what that order was. We think now there is technology that will allow us to do that quickly and get it right. I think that’s a big improvement.

We spent a lot of money on capital investments on Race Control over last year. So I think we already have a leg up. There may be more capital investments this year, but our objective is to give them all the tools possible to do the job.

Q. Jay, how long have you known Dan and what are the qualities that made you think that he was your best candidate for chief steward?

JAY FRYE: I’ve known Dan or of Dan for a long time, with the NASCAR days, with him running the Ford program. We weren’t ever a Ford team at the time, but I had great respect for him and the things he did.

You get to know people even when you don’t know them obviously with the way we all travel together. With Ford, they had great respect for him. Integrity, great guy, wanted to do whatever it took to do to get the job done.

When we started thinking about who would be a perfect candidate to help us with this, we thought of him. It wasn’t because we go way back as much as the respect I had for him for what he had done. I watched it from afar more than on a day-to-day basis.

Q. Mark, you spoke about having the drivers and team owners and other participants involved in putting together the strictures that are going to be run in the series. You’re dealing with a lot of selfish people here, drivers and team owners. You know they’re going to gang up on these guys. How do you separate them and make sure they do this?

MARK MILES: In their defense, I wouldn’t use the word ‘selfish’. You’re the journalist, but they’re hard-nosed competitors, and I get that. That’s just what you would expect. I respect them for it.

I think they expect INDYCAR to be a great sanctioning body and to lead. Part of that is having and using authority. I think our paddock wants that from us, expects that from us. I think we have to step up our game to make that work.

But that is the model. I think that’s not breaking arms; that’s what they expect. So the stewards will have the responsibility and the authority. They’ll be available to talk after races about why they made decisions they made. But that isn’t going to be an appeal. They’re going to make the decisions in Race Control and there are other appeal processes that are more involved, but they will have our complete support and confidence. I believe they will earn that from the paddock.

While the competitors can argue about calls, they won’t always see them the same way, but the call’s the call and we think we got the right guys making them.

Q. A procedural question with the three stewards now. Can any of the three stewards start a penalty call if they so desire? Do they all come from Dan? How does that work?

JAY FRYE: Any steward can call for review. The race director can call for review, yes.

Q. So Brian Barnhart can still call for review?

JAY FRYE: Absolutely.

Q. Jay, when you were identifying candidates, how important was it for you to find somebody that wasn’t too inextricably attached to one of the manufacturers or one of the teams?

JAY FRYE: When you’ve been in motorsports for a long time, if you’re qualified to do this job, there have been certain touch points you’ve had with people over the years that are hard to not have. We targeted or wanted these three gentlemen, it was really building a team.

We have Dan overseeing the team. We have Max who has an approach. We have Arie who has an approach. We think all the approaches are a little bit different, but they’ll complement each other very well.

It’s been amazing already in just the little bit of time we’ve started to work on this together the enthusiasm they have to do this, the enthusiasm to do it in the right way. I mean, they care. They want to make a difference and do the right thing.

It’s been great to this point. We can’t wait to get started in a couple weeks. So far, so good.

Q. I know we’re all looking forward instead of looking backward. The predecessor to Jay’s position wanted to see a new car for INDYCAR in 2018. I would think because of business considerations that might be delayed a few years. What are your thoughts on when the next generation of Indy car will be rolled out?

MARK MILES: I think we, Jay, myself and Bill, who started, what, Monday, our first focus, although we’ve got to walk and talk at the same time, we’re first focused on the further evolution of this car, racing it well this year. That’s sort of the thing right in front of us.

At the same time, we will quickly be thinking about the evolution of that for next year, and then at what point can we be thinking about a new car and how you go about that.

We don’t have a timetable for you at this point. I think there’s a lot to do to do the best we can for this year and these races, to think early on this year about any evolution for next year, because we don’t want to put manufacturers and teams behind the eight ball by making decisions too late. In the process of all that, we’ll be thinking about what’s feasible for a new car.

Q. I’m sure if there’s a rule infraction, you might get assistance from another team if they happened to observe something. For example, say it’s a full-course yellow, everybody comes in and pits, maybe a driver runs over an air hose, which I still believe is a penalty. How do the stewards know about that if they don’t personally see it? Are there pit officials? How many pit boxes have those officials? Do they relay it to the stewards, then they could review it if they have video?

MAX PAPIS: It’s actually a really good question. We were talking before about procedure and tools we have in place.

I can tell you this. There is a lot of commitment here in making sure that we get the tools to make the right calls at the right time.

Answering that question, it’s exactly what we talked about 15 minutes ago. There are going to be people in pit lane referring the messages. The things I can tell you, this is what I love about this group: the thing is going to work. If it doesn’t work the first time, it’s going to work the second time. If it’s not going to work exactly right the first time, it’s going to work pretty damn close good the second time.

What I love about what we’ve been doing here, it’s a real team. There is no ego. There is only one goal: making the sport right. I hope that by the end of the season there will be a lot less whining and a lot more just action and good things. I think at the end of the day you have a great sport and we are all fortunate to be around and be able to do it.

DAN DAVIS: Rocket (Kevin Blanch) runs the pit road. There are pit techs all along pit road. If a pit tech sees something, Rocket comes, checks it out, reviews what’s going around that pit, will call it up to the tower to say what happened. There’s more than one eye on pit road that will monitor that.

MARK MILES: There will be a visible broadcast monitor in Race Control.

Q. Are you hoping this is the last time you have to have a press conference like this? The whole idea of Race Control is to blend into the background and everyone does what the hell they’re told. Is this the last time you’re going to be doing all this and having to justify why we do this, why we do that?

MARK MILES: I think that’s right. We did say when we do soon finalize the table of regulations and penalties, we will make that available.

But the point of your question, we completely agree with. These guys, they’re not looking to be the stars of the show. They’re looking to do a great job for the competitors in the series. They ought to be in the background.

We don’t expect them to be answering your questions about what they did going forward. I don’t think that’s the job of the guys in the striped shirts. If we have to, we’ll figure out a way to explain things to you, but that’s not their job.

THE MODERATOR: With that, we’d like to thank you, gentlemen, for your time.

250 Supercross championship midseason recap: It’s a brotherly affair

Supercross championship
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With six rounds remaining and 11 in the books, the Monster Energy 250 Supercross championship has been a brotherly affair with Jett Lawrence holding a commanding lead in the West division and Hunter Lawrence dominating the East.

The 2023 Supercross season began with Jett Lawrence winning Anaheim 1. – Feld Motor Sports

Between them, the Lawrence brothers have won all but two races. Each rider has failed to claim the overall victory in a Triple Crown format although they both scored a win in one of the features.

Jett and Hunter both have a perfect record of podium finishes, but with four races remaining for each, the Supercross championship battle is far from over. Jett’s worst finish of the season was second in Anaheim 2; Hunter finished third in Arlington. Every other result for each rider was a victory and many of those came in weekends when they scored a heat win.

Both 250 divisions have two standalone races remaining. The West runs next on April 8 with a Triple Crown format in Glendale, Arizona and again in Denver on May 6. The East runs their next standalone race at Atlanta Motor Speedway on April 15 with another race on April 29 in Nashville.

With Jett and Hunter dominating their divisions and showing no sign of slowing, the big question will be how they ride head-to-head in the first of two East/West Showdowns in East Rutherford, New Jersey on April 22. The season winds down on May 13 in Salt Lake City, Utah with the second Showdown.

Race 1 | West 1 | Anaheim 1
Jett picked up where he left off in 2022. After scoring the 250 Supercross championship in the East last year, He put together a solid performance by finishing second in his heat and leading every lap of the main on his way to his first Anaheim 1 win and the eighth of his career. RJ Hampshire finished second with Cameron McAdoo rounding out the podium in what would set the tone for most of the championship to date. Meanwhile, it was a short season for Austin Forkner, who was expected to be one of Jett’s main rivals in the West. A hard crash early in the main event injured his knee and forced him out of the series.

Race 2 | West 2 | San Diego
Round 2 of the 2023 Supercross championship was supposed to take place in Oakland, but persistent rain and flooding canceled the weekend and made San Diego the second race instead. That didn’t matter to Jett, who once again led flag-to-flag to score his ninth career victory. This was the first time a rider led every lap of the first two rounds since Forkner did so in 2019. Hampshire finished second to Lawrence for the second straight week with McAdoo in third. “[Podiums are not enough] right now,” McAdoo told NBC’s Jason Thomas afterward. “I was just pretty bummed on a couple things that happened towards the end that I just need to execute better.”

Race 3 | West 3 | Anaheim 2
Out of the gate, it appeared Hampshire would have something for Jett in the second Anaheim race. He won the first feature as the points’ leader slipped into third, but a hard crash for Hampshire in the second feature of the Triple Crown format sealed his fate for the night. Hampshire would go on to finish 11th overall and lose significant ground to Jett. The Triple Crown format would not be kind to Jett either as he finished sixth in Race 1 before finally winning the final event. Jett was second overall in this race behind Levi Kitchen who took the overall with a 4-2-2. This was Kitchen’s fifth 250 start. Stilez Robertson slotted into third with a 6-1-3.

The 250 West season starts in Anaheim and ends at Salt Lake City. – Feld Motor Sports

250 West Championship Standings

Race 4 | East 1 | Houston
Following in Jett’s footsteps, Hunter also set the mark with a win in the 250 East opener. The night was almost disastrous for the Supercross championship leader when Hunter was forced off track trying to pass Tom Vialle for the lead when that rider jumped wide in a rhythm section. Vialle was one of several rookies debuting that weekend and three of them scored top-10 finishes. Haiden Deegan finished fourth in his first 250 race, Vialle was seventh and Chance Hymas eighth. Talon Hawkins narrowly missed that mark and finished 11th. It wasn’t the first 250 race for Max Anstie, but it was his first in more than a decade and he finished second, later telling NBC Sports that “you can’t skip steps”. Jordon Smith rounded out the podium.

Race 5 | East 2 | Tampa
Hunter opened the season with two wins, making this the seventh of his career. Now firmly established with the 250 East Supercross championship lead as Jett dominated the West, the Lawrence brothers are the first to hold the red plate simultaneously. As with the first race, this one did not come easy for Hunter. He had trouble on the opening lap and was forced to charge through the pack. It took all 19 laps to make up the deficit, but he caught Nate Thrasher on the final turn and edged him by 0.134 seconds. Anstie scored his second podium of the Supercross championship season.

Race 6 | West 4 | Oakland
The rescheduled Round 2 saw Jett pick up where he left off. Scoring his 10th win, Jett set the largest margin of victory in his career with a 16.160 second advantage over Hampshire. His previous best was a 14.005-second advantage on a much larger track in the 2022 Daytona Supercross race. For the first time in 2023, Jett had to show patience. He stalked Hampshire and completed the pass when that rider made a mistake. “It was kind of like a chess game to see who was sending it and to try and pick the lines, so I just stayed back there,” Jett told NBC Sports afterward.

Haiden Deegan finished fourth in his first 250 Supercross race and has only gotten better.

250 East Championship Standings

Race 7 | East 3 | Arlington
It’s almost as if the Lawrences have the season choreographed. In the third 250 East race, Hunter suffered his first loss and as with Jett it came in a Triple Format race when he struggled in two features and won the other. A 1-3-6 put Lawrence third in the overall behind Thrasher (2-2-3) and Smith (4-1-5). Jeremy Martin (6-12-1) was the other rider with a feature win that night. Prior to 2023, three different feature winners and a separate overall winner happened only once: Austin Forkner took the top spot in Atlanta 2018 with a 4-2-3. The feature winners were Zach Osborne (1), Martin Davalos (2) and Martin (3).

Race 8 | East 4 | Daytona
The granddaddy of Supercross linked the Lawrence brothers again as they became back-to-back winners in the 250 class on the famed track in Daytona International Speedway’s frontstretch. Jett was victorious in this race last year. That made them the only brothers to win during the history of the race. It was a vindication for Hunter, who struggled badly the week before. With his eighth career win, Hunter was rapidly closing in on Jett. Anstie was back on the podium in second to keep a perfect streak of top-fives alive. But it was Deegan who stole the show, earning his first podium in his fourth start with his famous father Bryan Deegan watching admiringly in the Daytona media center during postrace interviews.

Race 9 | East 5 | Indianapolis
It was a perfect day for Hunter. He won his fourth main of the season and ninth of his career after being the fastest qualifier, holeshot winner and after leading the most laps. In fact, it has almost been a perfect season to this point with each Lawrence failing to win only one race through five rounds. It is now Hunter’s Supercross championship to lose with a 22-point advantage over Anstie and 31 above third-place Thrasher.

Hunter Lawrence joined his brother Jett Lawrence as the only siblings to win the Daytona Supercross race. – Feld Motor Sports

250 Combined Championship Standings

Race 10 | East 6 | Detroit
In a season where the Lawrence’s paralleled one another so closely, it was inevitable that Hunter would catch and tie his brother on the all-time wins list at 10. Through this race, both had 27 starts in their career, so the playing field is equal and both earned nearly the same number of podium finishes and led the same number of races. Hunter continued to widen his lead over the competition as Anstie had an uncharacteristically bad race in which he crashed and finished last. Thrasher finished second and took over second in the standings, but he is now 35 points out of first. Deegan scored his second career podium after riding aggressively in his heat and that led to a series of events that saw his teammate Smith fail to make the main. Afterwards, Hunter defended Deegan’s aggressive block pass.

Race 11 | West 5 | Seattle
Hunter didn’t get to celebrate his tie with Jett for long as the younger sibling scored his 11th career win. Jett is now almost one full race ahead of Hampshire with a 23-point advantage, but Hampshire refuses to fade into the background. Hampshire finished second in Seattle, which was the fourth time in five rounds that he did so. If not for the crash in Anaheim 2, this would be a nailbiter. Hampshire knows he still has a shot, however, because the next round in Arizona is another Triple Crown race. When Jett was reminded of that from the podium, he was visibly disappointed and replied “oof”.

With four podiums each, Thrasher (E), McAdoo (W), and Hampshire (W) are currently running for best in class and are looking over their shoulders at Smith (E) and Anstie (E) with top-three finishes in three races.

More: Jett and Hunter Lawrence walk a delicate balance with the fans

Jett Lawrence celebrated his fourth win of the season and 11th of his career in Seattle. – Feld Motor Sports